At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. Then the householder Anāthapiṇḍika left Sāvatthī in the middle of the day to see the Buddha. Then it occurred to him, “It’s the wrong time to see the Buddha,
as he’s in retreat. And it’s the wrong time to see the esteemed mendicants, as they’re in retreat. Why don’t I visit the monastery for the wanderers of other religions?”
Then he went to the monastery for the wanderers of other religions. Now at that time, the wanderers of other religions had come together, making an uproar, a colossal racket as they sat and talked about all kinds of low topics. They saw Anāthapiṇḍika coming off in the distance,
and stopped each other, saying, “Be quiet, good fellows, don’t make a sound. The householder Anāthapiṇḍika, a disciple of the ascetic Gotama, is coming into our monastery. He is included among the white-clothed lay disciples of the ascetic Gotama, who is residing in Sāvatthī.
Such venerables like the quiet, are educated to be quiet, and praise the quiet. Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.” Then those wanderers of other religions fell silent. Then Anāthapiṇḍika went up to them, and exchanged greetings with those wanderers.
When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. The wanderers said to him, “Tell us, householder, what is the view of the ascetic Gotama?” “Sirs, I don’t know all his views.” “Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama,
tell us, what are the views of the mendicants?” “Sirs, I don’t know all the mendicants’ views.” “Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama or of the mendicants, tell us, householder, what is your view?”
PL
vadehi, gahapati, kiṁdiṭṭhikā bhikkhū”ti? “Bhikkhūnampi kho ahaṁ, bhante, na sabbaṁ diṭṭhiṁ jānāmī”ti. “Iti kira tvaṁ, gahapati, na samaṇassa gotamassa sabbaṁ diṭṭhiṁ jānāsi napi bhikkhūnaṁ sabbaṁ diṭṭhiṁ jānāsi; vadehi, gahapati, kiṁdiṭṭhikosi tuvan”ti?
EN
“Sirs, it’s not hard for me to explain what my views are. But please, let the venerables explain their own convictions first. Afterwards it won’t be hard for me to explain my views.” When he said this, one of the wanderers said to him, “The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.
That’s my view, householder.” Another wanderer said, “The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.”
Another wanderer said, “The cosmos is finite …” … “The cosmos is infinite …” … “The soul and the body are one and the same …” …
PL
Aññataropi kho paribbājako anāthapiṇḍikaṁ gahapatiṁ etadavoca: “antavā loko …pe… anantavā loko … taṁ jīvaṁ taṁ sarīraṁ …
EN
“The soul is one thing, the body another …” … “A realized one still exists after death …” … “A realized one no longer exists after death …” … “A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …” …
PL
aññaṁ jīvaṁ aññaṁ sarīraṁ … hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā …
EN
“A Realized One neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.” When this was said, Anāthapiṇḍika said this, “Sirs, regarding the venerable who said this:
PL
neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti— evaṁdiṭṭhiko ahaṁ, gahapatī”ti. Evaṁ vutte, anāthapiṇḍiko gahapati te paribbājake etadavoca: “yvāyaṁ, bhante, āyasmā evamāha:
EN
‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.
Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering. Regarding the venerable who said this:
‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.
Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering. Regarding the venerable who said this:
‘The cosmos is finite …’ … ‘The cosmos is infinite …’ … ‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ … ‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ …
PL
‘antavā loko …pe… anantavā loko … taṁ jīvaṁ taṁ sarīraṁ … aññaṁ jīvaṁ aññaṁ sarīraṁ …
EN
‘A realized one still exists after death …’ … ‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ … ‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ … ‘A Realized One neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.
PL
hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
EN
That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated. Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.
And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.” When he said this the wanderers said to him, “Householder, we’ve each explained our own convictions.
Tell us, householder, what is your view?” “Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. And what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.
That’s my view, sirs.” “Householder, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What you cling to and hold to is just suffering.”
“Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. And I’ve truly seen clearly with right wisdom that what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, it’s not my self. And I truly understand the escape beyond that.”
When this was said, those wanderers sat silent, dismayed, shoulders drooping, downcast, depressed, with nothing to say. Seeing this, Anāthapiṇḍika rose from his seat. He went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and informed the Buddha of all they had discussed.
“Good, good, householder! That’s how you should legitimately and completely refute those futile men from time to time.” Then the Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired the householder Anāthapiṇḍika with a Dhamma talk, after which Anāthapiṇḍika got up from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right, before leaviing.
Then, not long after Anāthapiṇḍika had left, the Buddha addressed the mendicants: “Mendicants, even a mendicant who has ordained for a hundred years in this teaching and training would legitimately and completely refute those wanderers of other religions just as the householder Anāthapiṇḍika did.”
At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. Then the householder Anāthapiṇḍika left Sāvatthī in the middle of the day to see the Buddha. Then it occurred to him, “It’s the wrong time to see the Buddha,
as he’s in retreat. And it’s the wrong time to see the esteemed mendicants, as they’re in retreat. Why don’t I visit the monastery for the wanderers of other religions?”
Then he went to the monastery for the wanderers of other religions. Now at that time, the wanderers of other religions had come together, making an uproar, a colossal racket as they sat and talked about all kinds of low topics. They saw Anāthapiṇḍika coming off in the distance,
and stopped each other, saying, “Be quiet, good fellows, don’t make a sound. The householder Anāthapiṇḍika, a disciple of the ascetic Gotama, is coming into our monastery. He is included among the white-clothed lay disciples of the ascetic Gotama, who is residing in Sāvatthī.
Such venerables like the quiet, are educated to be quiet, and praise the quiet. Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.” Then those wanderers of other religions fell silent. Then Anāthapiṇḍika went up to them, and exchanged greetings with those wanderers.
When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. The wanderers said to him, “Tell us, householder, what is the view of the ascetic Gotama?” “Sirs, I don’t know all his views.” “Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama,
tell us, what are the views of the mendicants?” “Sirs, I don’t know all the mendicants’ views.” “Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama or of the mendicants, tell us, householder, what is your view?”
PL
vadehi, gahapati, kiṁdiṭṭhikā bhikkhū”ti? “Bhikkhūnampi kho ahaṁ, bhante, na sabbaṁ diṭṭhiṁ jānāmī”ti. “Iti kira tvaṁ, gahapati, na samaṇassa gotamassa sabbaṁ diṭṭhiṁ jānāsi napi bhikkhūnaṁ sabbaṁ diṭṭhiṁ jānāsi; vadehi, gahapati, kiṁdiṭṭhikosi tuvan”ti?
EN
“Sirs, it’s not hard for me to explain what my views are. But please, let the venerables explain their own convictions first. Afterwards it won’t be hard for me to explain my views.” When he said this, one of the wanderers said to him, “The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.
That’s my view, householder.” Another wanderer said, “The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.”
Another wanderer said, “The cosmos is finite …” … “The cosmos is infinite …” … “The soul and the body are one and the same …” …
PL
Aññataropi kho paribbājako anāthapiṇḍikaṁ gahapatiṁ etadavoca: “antavā loko …pe… anantavā loko … taṁ jīvaṁ taṁ sarīraṁ …
EN
“The soul is one thing, the body another …” … “A realized one still exists after death …” … “A realized one no longer exists after death …” … “A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …” …
PL
aññaṁ jīvaṁ aññaṁ sarīraṁ … hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā …
EN
“A Realized One neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.” When this was said, Anāthapiṇḍika said this, “Sirs, regarding the venerable who said this:
PL
neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti— evaṁdiṭṭhiko ahaṁ, gahapatī”ti. Evaṁ vutte, anāthapiṇḍiko gahapati te paribbājake etadavoca: “yvāyaṁ, bhante, āyasmā evamāha:
EN
‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.
Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering. Regarding the venerable who said this:
‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile. That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.
Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering. Regarding the venerable who said this:
‘The cosmos is finite …’ … ‘The cosmos is infinite …’ … ‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ … ‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ …
PL
‘antavā loko …pe… anantavā loko … taṁ jīvaṁ taṁ sarīraṁ … aññaṁ jīvaṁ aññaṁ sarīraṁ …
EN
‘A realized one still exists after death …’ … ‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ … ‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ … ‘A Realized One neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.
PL
hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā … neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā, idameva saccaṁ moghamaññanti—
EN
That’s my view, householder.’ This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says. But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated. Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.
And what’s impermanent is suffering. What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.” When he said this the wanderers said to him, “Householder, we’ve each explained our own convictions.
Tell us, householder, what is your view?” “Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. And what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.
That’s my view, sirs.” “Householder, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. What you cling to and hold to is just suffering.”
“Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent. And what’s impermanent is suffering. And I’ve truly seen clearly with right wisdom that what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, it’s not my self. And I truly understand the escape beyond that.”
When this was said, those wanderers sat silent, dismayed, shoulders drooping, downcast, depressed, with nothing to say. Seeing this, Anāthapiṇḍika rose from his seat. He went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and informed the Buddha of all they had discussed.
“Good, good, householder! That’s how you should legitimately and completely refute those futile men from time to time.” Then the Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired the householder Anāthapiṇḍika with a Dhamma talk, after which Anāthapiṇḍika got up from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right, before leaviing.
Then, not long after Anāthapiṇḍika had left, the Buddha addressed the mendicants: “Mendicants, even a mendicant who has ordained for a hundred years in this teaching and training would legitimately and completely refute those wanderers of other religions just as the householder Anāthapiṇḍika did.”
Sutraya